Comments on article "Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes"

phll on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 30, 2009 06:44 PM

Looks like someone here doesn't think and act like a grown-up :D

Frank clearly explained the origins of the UPnP inspector, in all honesty and without any arrogance. Now if you don't believe him and have no proof of what you claim, admit the truth and please stop bashing us. Let's live all peace together ;)

zeenix on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 30, 2009 03:37 PM

dev! i wont make a big fuzz about it if you just put your arrogance aside and admit that a great developer like you sometimes get his inspiration from the work of a small-time developer like me.

dev on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 30, 2009 01:38 PM

@zeenix:

You know the phrase "Cui honorem, honorem"?

I began to use the Intel UPnP tools probably around 2004 - maybe earlier, can't remember. Another tool I used during that time was Cidero.

When I started with Coherence in 2006 these have been the things I've tested against,
especially as the libupnp, used by the Intel UPnP tools, has been the reference implementation at that time.

Iirc you haven't even started with your Gabriel project at that time, which you later abandoned when you learned about UPnP.

During micxers work on the UPnP TestSuite and his master-thesis end of 2006, early 2007 we created a first version of a PyGTK UI for that, the beginning of the Inspector.

So why does "this inspector ui resemble so much to gupnp-tools":

they both try to display UPnP devices, allow to inspect details and to interact with them
they both are inspired by the Intel UPnP tools, which have been around since the beginning of this century
they both use the same GTK widgets

And if you compare the Intel UPnP tools and your work, you surely will acknowledge that you created more or less a 1:1 clone - e.g. the three pane window.
To make this clear, I don't disesteem the work you did there, but allow me to stick to the real roots of the Inspector and don't expect me to prefer the replica to the original.

So please don't make a mountain out of a molehill, accept that there are people working on UPnP related things even before you stumbled upon it and create something unique that it is worth getting credited for.

dev on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 30, 2009 09:22 AM

@Sven:

We know that this isn't a valid UUID. But for this test and to have something to easily distinguish between local UPnP devices and the ones coming in via the tubes their UUIDs have been modified this way.

Sven on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 30, 2009 07:25 AM

That is not a valid UUID though.

In its canonical form, a UUID consists of 32 hexadecimal digits, displayed in 5 groups separated by hyphens, in the form 8-4-4-4-12 for a total of 36 characters(32 digits and 4 '-') [from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_Unique_Identifier#Definition].

zeenix on Mirabeau: tubing UPnP over the intertubes

June 29, 2009 11:31 PM

cool! just wondering if its just a coincidence that this inspector ui resemble so much to gupnp-tools rather than the obsolete and incomplete 'intel tools for upnp' (which is what Frank claims he got his inspiration from)? Keeping in mind that Frank started working on this soon after he tried gupnp-tools and the fact that i got ignored when i last asked him this question, this seems quite unlikely. Since i give Coherence its due credit each time someone asks me about it, it is only fair you guys do the same? anyways, keep up the great work.