October 21, 2005 12:19 PM Philippe Normand urn:md5:11329 Alinea beza1e1 http://base-art.net/Comments/172/ October 21, 2005 12:19 PM Yesterday i hacked together quixote and feedparser. So now i can do: <br /> <br /> import server <br /> from feed_directory import Feed, Category <br /> server.Root = Category([Feed("feed.xml"), Feed("slashdot.xml")], 'feeds') <br /> server.run(server.create_publisher, port=8080) <br /> <br /> Category and Feed are Objects, which are traversed by quixote. This works better and more dynamically, than a file based approach in my eyes. <br /> <br /> btw the really nifty thing is the caching and automagically refetching Feed object, which simply wraps feedparser.Feed :) phil http://base-art.net/Comments/171/ October 19, 2005 08:13 PM <p>Well, we could dissert one decade on web frameworks, but still we'd need to choose one ... And there's enough candidates for teh app.</p> <p>May be i'll wait for Mickael's TurboZCherryPloRails Giga-framework :-) It seems so hype!</p> Jkx http://base-art.net/Comments/170/ October 19, 2005 07:49 PM <p>Ok, this is a short answer but: - I don't really like the regex url of Django too. I really think that url=Instance() (à la CherryPy) is a good way to solve most of issues.</p> <ul class="simple"> <li>For the UI component, I really think this is far too much complex for a web app.</li> <li>The Zope.Interface is not a really funny module, and too much verbose (for me). But it can provide a good way to reusability that a good point.</li> <li>Not talking about Zope3 ...</li> </ul> <p>-- Jkx</p> Michael Watkins http://base-art.net/Comments/169/ October 19, 2005 05:22 PM <p>Clearly what works for one doesn't work for another... Myself I hate the way Django gets at URLs. regex? Yuk!</p> <p>With respect to traversing the URL, I also don't find a series of UI objects calling each other as the tree is traversed to be hard to understand:</p> <pre class="literal-block"> # and in my UI collection RootUI CalendarUI CalendarItemUI EventUI DocumentUI ViewUI (index) EditUI ... etc </pre> <p>That's similar to a good ol' file system:</p> <pre class="literal-block"> / calendar/ an item/ another item/ documents/ doc1 doc2 doc2/version1 </pre> <p>Easy enough to implement in Quixote, although no doubt a few more tutorials or HOWTOs on trickier cases would be useful.</p> <p>I'm not sold on what you call Component Oriented Programming, assuming you are speaking to the Zope Interfaces methodology. Its interesting and I can see its utility, but for now good clean object design continues to work for me.</p> <p>You might have a play around with Dulcinea's &quot;spec&quot; module... it may not become immediately obvious but employing &quot;specs&quot; you can design objects with great reusability without diving whole hog into the IInterfaceThis and IImplementThat model.</p> <p>But whatever turns one's crank! I can appreciate Zope3's approach even if I choose not to use it nor suffer the performance the overhead implied.</p> <p>Its all what one gets used to but after having built a number of Quixote applications I've never found myself pining for the fjords[1]. Quixote allows you to write fairly complex applications relatively quickly and with a high degree of stability and safety; it also allows you to make a complete mess of the job too.</p> <p>That's its charm! Cheers - Mike</p> <p>[1] a Monty Pythonism</p> Jkx http://base-art.net/Comments/168/ October 19, 2005 04:20 PM <p>The major Quixote stuff, is the scgi protocol. But I really hate the way Quixote handle the url. Playing wit h the index (sometimes method, or class method) is something that will kill most newbies enthousiast.</p> <p>Another issue, is the lack of component oriented programming. This could be done easily w/ cherryPy (for example) and the defaut way of life in Django, but still missing in Quixote. I hope zope.interface will be used soon here.</p> <p>But hurring up .. TurboGears and Django are really moving fast</p> <p>--</p> Michael Watkins http://base-art.net/Comments/167/ October 19, 2005 03:13 PM <p>I agree with you wholeheartedly on this... and the quick hit clearly is with the Troika of Durus/Dulcinea/Quixote.</p> <p>Maybe a video ... :-)</p>